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DataMeister's avatar

The high doses of quercetin is probably the issue. Quercetin is definitely good for people's health and comes naturally in most fruits and vegetables. Something like 30-100 mg per day might be the most a person can get from food and is likely a better daily dose size instead of the 500 mg or 1,000 mg per day in most supplements.

The other question is does mouse fertility return if they stop taking the quercetin? Quercetin in a 500 mg daily dose might be fine when taken as medicine for short periods of time.

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Hi DataMeister,

These are important issues indeed.

Thank you.

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Nnikk's avatar

Good point about dosing and length of use. By coincedence, reading Sally Norton ("Toxic Superfoods") primarily (so far) about the toxic effects of oxalate (in vegetable matter) and she speaks of quercetin as a "phytonutrient" that disrupts cell membranes. Well, "phytonutrient" may just be a term of art for poisons plants make to defend themselves from predators. She goes on immediately to describe curcumin as a dubious supplement that our bodies quickly detoxify and eliminate ("unless taken w/ black pepper", i.e., defeating the body's attempt to protect) and states this detoxifying action is fortunate "because curcumin otherwise would likely cause DNA damage and (reversible) infertility." Glad it's reversible because at 70, not too worried about that, lol. It probably all falls under the concept of hormesis. I actually put the book down temporarily at that point (p.60 ...who has time for reading, anyway?) to consider her outlook (and if she might be biased/or nuts, lol) but I had already been giving some thought to which supplements are "good everyday" vs. those to be used occasionally and for purpose, as a drug/medication. Mercola himself advises against overuse of supplements and "anti-oxidants".

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Karl Haemers's avatar

We should be worried about the youth.

Who has time for ignorance?

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Good information. Thank you, Nnikk.

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kitten seeking answers's avatar

reading the label on supplements where dosage is several hundred times the daily recommended amount always gives me pause, also try to get dietary sources but do take vitamin B & D supplements

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Snarky Guy's avatar

Injecting it into the testes & ovaries doesn't help either, lol.

However, one 500mg quercetin capsule is the equivalent of eating 25 onions.. so, I figured maybe that's not great either and gave it up unless I'm treating cancer or some strong illness.

High doses though, can indeed reduce the function of the p-glycoprotein barrier in the blood brain barrier.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

In learning about German New Medicine and other fundamentally different approaches to cancer and all health issues, I wonder if cancer need be treated except through resolution of underlying conflict.

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Green Fields's avatar

Interesting thoughts.

Here's another one - given that the majority of folk affected by the disease are past child bearing age is fertility really a problem if taking quercetin helps with said disease? You know, like young people not needing to be concerned about the potential effects of quercetin on fertility anyway as they don't get seriously ill with the virus in the first place and so wouldn't take it. ...

Just my mind a-wandering and wondering... not saying quercetin is a problem or benefit or not, just commenting on the concept in the bigger picture.

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Great points.

You’re correct about those populations not being respectively affected on those bases.

I’ve seen a lot of people under 40 taking quercetin, however. They’re assuming it may help prevent infections or disease with future Covid variants, which may be true.

Yet it seems perhaps they should consider potential fertility effects.

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Green Fields's avatar

I know, and I find this in itself odd though. The purported use of quercetin in covid, as I understand it, is not to prevent infection but to help speed recovery once infected. I may be wrong on this, it is a while since i properly looked, and I am ok to admit I am wrong when I am!

That said however, it still makes it a nonsense for under 40s to take it under a perception that it is a preventative rather than an aid to recovery. Under 40s should not be worried about taking a prophylactic of any kind for this disease. According to countless reports, these younger ages just don't get really ill with it. For sure, highlighting any potential problems with whatever the pill bottle contents is a good thing and fertility concerns with this compound may well be very real. I still think it's better to focus on making and maintaining overall good health, and that doesn't come in a pill bottle from pharma or supplement producers. The concept under 40s taking this to prevent a disease that they should not have a problem with, whether it works or not, is part of the problem and there needs to be a huge paradigm shift in the perception of what it means to be in good health and prevent disease.

Heck, it's late, I am rambling. ... I hope you know what I am trying to say.

Thanks James.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

The bigger picture is Zelenko and his Talmudic terrorists promoting decapitation death for Noahide violators and possible depop agenda through infertility.

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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

"Covid shot harms are “unintentional” and we should “forgive” and give “amnesty” to Covid killers."

I definitely believe the COVID criminals should be held accountable, but it's doubtful that Zelenko was aware Quercetin hindered fertility.

Dr. Vladimir Zelenko, a Jewish family medical practitioner promoted an off-label treatment for COVID and sent a letter to the Israeli Health Ministry urging Israel to adopt his protocol as Israelis were being treated like Pfizer pincushions. Zelenko doesn't sound like someone who was trying to harm men and women of childbearing age.

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Good points, Charlotte.

I too have a hard time believing that about Dr. Zelenko.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

I think it should be the first thing we should think about Zelenko. If he didn't know quercetin reduces fertility, he should have, given his high influencer status. If he didn't know, he is guilty of negligence. If he did know--which I feel is likely--he is guilty of a crime against humanity, in particular both our child-bearing age men and women and their unborn children.

We must believe the truth about Zelenko, not the carefully manufactured image. He advocated mass murder by decapitation for any who refused to believe they were descended from Noah and his family, and thus must worship the God of Israel and renounce the apostate and idolater Jesus Christ--and Odin, Aphrodite, Zeus, Mohammed, Allah, Xotli, The Great Buffalo God, The Muses, etc. One World Religion, and that is Judaism. Believe or die. That's Zelenko. His vile grotesque nature is plain to see.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

To me, Zelenko sounds like a Jewish religious zealot with a messianic control agenda that includes decapitation for any who refuse to believe in and worship his deranged genocidal egotistical desert goatherder god. Zelenko sounds like someone who was trying to harm all non-Jewish people who violate his "Noahide Laws" and continue to worship the false idol of Jesus Christ--and any other but Yahweh. Zelenko sounds possessed by religious insanity. Did you watch the video clips of him promoting the Noahide Laws? What else are we to think about him?

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Hi Karl,

You raise good points about Zelenko. He did advocate Noahide laws calling for decapitation of “idolators,” whom he said includes those who “worship the false idols of science and medicine.”

Some clips of him, including calling for decapitation, are here:

https://hillmd.substack.com/p/dr-zelenko-advocates-deadly-noahide

https://hillmd.substack.com/p/dr-zelenko-warns-you-must-choose

Good interview on Red Ice, BTW.

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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

The following are the 7 Noahide Laws they sound biblical, but not fanatical:

Not to worship idols.

Not to curse God.

Not to commit murder.

Not to commit adultery or sexual immorality.

Not to steal.

Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal.

To establish courts of justice.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

Also, the Noahide Laws would be accompanied by the rebuilding of the 3rd temple and re-institution of the torturous sacrifice of animals. To Chabad fundamentalists such as Zelenko, us non-Jew Goyim are animals available for torture and sacrificial slaughter.

The courts of "Justice" will be owned and operated by Jews only. All others must submit to Jewish Talmudic justice. The Rothschilds have already built their "court of Man" in Israel.

To Talmudic Jews such as Zelenko, it is no considered sexual immorality to sodomize a 9 year old boy, since the boy does not have a developed soul as yet. Also, it is acceptable to have sex with a 3 year old, boy or girl, because they are not yet human. This is written in their Talmud.

So much for Talmudic "sexual immorality."

How well will these Talmudic fanatics comply with their Law not to commit murder, when the punishment for not following the Noahide Laws is murder by decapitation? Ah Yes! The Noahide Laws are only for us Goyim non-Jews, not for the Jews. They follow a higher law which requires them to murder any who violate the Noahide Laws. Talmudic logic in action.

The Talmud curses Jesus Christ with the most grotesque profanity. To them, Jesus is trapped in a vat of boiling feces and semen, and his mother Mary was a harlot. They curse the Christian God all the time vociferously. They hate Christians and the Noahide Laws are designed to eradicate all Christians as idolators against the Jewish moshiac (messiah) to come. To them, Jesus was an impostor and apostate.

Please study this:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DANbFd62Jsy2/

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Karl Haemers's avatar

To Chabad Jews such as Zelenko, Jesus Christ is an idol. It is idolatry punishable by decapitation to worship Jesus Christ. Or Allah, or Odin, or nature, or the sun, or anyone and anything other than the Judaic Torah jealous ego-maniacal genocidal demon-god of the desert goat herders, Yahweh.

Please understand this. The Noahide Laws are not benign and wise. They are religious fanaticism and mass murdering. But even if they were benign, they are an attempt to impose one religious view on all of humanity and eradicate not just other religious views, but anyone who follows them. The Noahide Laws are a direct violation of our 1st Amendment right to freedom of religion. And they are a violation of our basic right to life, in submission to an insane extreme Talmudic fundamentalist One World Religion control doctrine.

Zelenko was a Chabad Lubavitch zealot. Everything else he did was from that foundation, and utterly suspect.

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Charlotte Ruse's avatar

I think those who mandated the experimental vaxx suffered from ideological fanaticism and promoted mass murder via a bioweapon. But even if they were benign, it was an attempt to impose a one world view about healthcare for all of humanity, hence permanently eradicating bodily autonomy.

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c Anderson's avatar

Quercetin is deemed GRAS as a food additive by the FDA. You would have thought they would have discovered a link to infertility long before it was promoted to be a healthy supplement in fighting Covid.

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The BarefootHealer's avatar

Have a look at the 900+ other chemicals also granted GRAS status. There are a lot that are known endocrine disruptors and carcinogenic, particularly under the body care products. The food science groups love that term GRAS😉 Lets them put all sorts of stuff under that umbrella. PEG, Polysorbate 20-80, Caramel III....all Generally Regarded As Safe.😐🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

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c Anderson's avatar

Anything can kill in too high of amounts. 😱

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Karl Haemers's avatar

The FDA was run by Zelenko's tribal co-religionist, Gottlieb.

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c Anderson's avatar

What tribe is that?

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Karl Haemers's avatar

Duh. Jews.

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Joe Van Steenbergen's avatar

We probably should advise mice to not take this stuff. /s

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Jimychanga's avatar

Interesting! Careful with that Quercetin folks!

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Julia Klein's avatar

Quetrcetin is a flavonoid, that is naturally found in apples, cherries, green and black tea, kale and onions. It is a compound of many natural foods. So I guess you stopped eating those as well, according to the logic of this article. Doubtful. Very doubtful.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

One capsule contains the amount in 25 onions. Dose matters.

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Snarky Guy's avatar

These studies inject mega doses right into the testicles! That's NOT how I use quercetin, which I use very sparingly now rather than every day now that I'm fully healthy again.

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Sounds Like Nonsense's avatar

Renegade Research THE NICOTINE TEST

https://twitter.com/TheNicotineTest

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Karl Haemers's avatar

Zelenko's fellow tribal co-religionist Steve Kirsch promoted SSRI's for covid treatment.

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Christine the Strawberry Girl's avatar

Is your profile pic a phoenix? Or thunderbird? It’s tiny so I can’t tell:)

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Sounds Like Nonsense's avatar

Troy Roach

https://twitter.com/Canal1point5/status/1684097320260886529

New to the idea of using Nicotine Patches to reduce symptoms in #LongCovid, #MECFS, #Fibromyalgia, etc?

Have a look at the FAQs on the website for this NIH-funded study from Vanderbilt on preventing or slowing dementia, Alzheimer's, etc in the elderly.

The MIND Study

http://mindstudy.org/

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https://archive.md/2023.07.26-234233/http://mindstudy.org/

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Snarky Guy's avatar

You're dropping poison pills. The safe way to use nicotine is to make an alcohol/water extract from organic tobacco leaves and apply topically or under the tongue. I just smoke.

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Sounds Like Nonsense's avatar

I don’t drop any pills. I grow my own tobacco.

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Snarky Guy's avatar

But you trust the producers of the patch not to deliver any toxins straight through your skin?

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Sounds Like Nonsense's avatar

Renegade Research

https://twitter.com/TheNicotineTest/status/1684941832025702400

And on a related topic for #TheNicotineTest tribe.

Here is a list of ingredients (from various brands) started by a fellow tester.

#LongCovid #MECFS #Fibromyalgia

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I don’t use patches.

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Sounds Like Nonsense's avatar

Nicotine - a defense to Covid, post-Covid issues, and Shedding

https://rumble.com/v2x2vqx-nicotine-a-defense-to-covid-post-covid-issues-and-shedding.html

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Paul Black's avatar

Tim is a wrong un. I commented yesterday but has disappeared alongside the one other comment. https://acrobat.adobe.com/link/track?uri=urn:aaid:scds:US:e7098641-4c42-322e-bac5-a384394e5c33

I and my wife are 56 and have taken Quercetin as a zinc ionophore alongside C, D3 and multis as cannot get IVM in UK. 3 grown up kids so fertility unimportant. Why were these comments removed? Furthermore, I tried to post above. Banned for a week. Controlled opposition?

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Hi Paul,

This, including the paper you linked, is good information. Thank you.

FYI, I have not removed any comments. Perhaps you mean Tim removed them from his Substack? That’s unfortunate.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

I wonder if the increased sperm motility was a flight reaction of the sperm to escape the quercetin. There are always the opposite studies available. At least 50% of studies in the peer-reviewed literature are frauds, basically sales pitches paid for by pharma. So said the retired editor of the NEJM. Only question is, which one of these competing studies is the truth, and which one sales? I would suggest the one that promotes quercetin as effective in increasing sperm motility is the sales pitch, because it promotes quercetin use.

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Paul Black's avatar

Ordinarily, I would be skeptical like you but Quercetin is a cheap supplement so no money in it. https://c19early.org/q. This smacks of horse paste smear to me

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Karl Haemers's avatar

Zelenko's Z-Stack cocktail was composed of basic inexpensive supplements commonly thought to support immune health. He inflated the price to $55 last I heard, possibly 5x the cost of the supplements bought separately. Another grifter.

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Paul Black's avatar

A grifter who saved lives and kept people out of the death factories for a reasonable fee. Do you know how much per patient hospitals got paid for murdering them? Vivek involved in buying a drug company $1.50 per tab 10 per day drug was put up to $30 per tab. That is grift.

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sadie's avatar

I believe I heard McCullough say just recently that they have replaced quercetin with curcumin.

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Good to know! Thank you, sadie.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

McCullough is a germ-theory promoter. He affirms the existence and action of a virus. If the disease is mis-diagnosed, the treatments are at least useless and at worst counter-productive.

The real disease was irrational fear.

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EmilyTVProducer's avatar

Learned a lot here. Thanks

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Thanks for being here, Emily.

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Leslie H MSc's avatar

Yeah. There’s lots of reasons to know what might work and how. Thing is, you are making a false comparison between animal models and product types. And consistent with biomedical standards (some might refer to as dangerous dogma), you seem to conflate prevention of SARSCov2 with prevention of COVID. That includes the kind of MD-dependency needed for fear-mongering, and the military-grade Counter Measures you talk about as if racial weapons.

Ooh ah... it’s almost like injecting self-replicating gene therapy and spike proteins (assuming one is not in some hydrogel placebo group in your favourite population experiment) is reasonably comparable to time-limited dose-controlled nutritional supplements in a regime that can be stopped... or perhaps not even needed now.

Your writing is entertaining , like political muck raking on a global scale. Thank you.

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James Hill, MD's avatar

I make the distinction between mice and humans in the article and indicate the effects observed in rodents might not be seen in people.

If you have information on different product types used in the mouse studies vs. what’s being sold over the counter, it would be great if you could provide it.

Any good doctor or scientist is open to new information refuting preliminary hypotheses.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

We must also make the distinction between covid-19 and real disease. Then treatment becomes an entirely different matter certainly than "vaccines" and even of the Z-Stack cocktail. What are they really treating? Fertility, for one.

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James Hill, MD's avatar

Hi Karl, I heard your description of Covid in your interview with Henrik, and I think it’s correct except for SARS-2 being fake.

There are hundreds of papers isolating the virus (in cell culture as one normally does for viruses, not outside cells) and sequencing it.

Although Denis Rancourt has shown there was no increase in all cause mortality in 2020-21 in some regions, there were in hospitals isolated increases pulmonary deaths, different from typical influenza-like illnesses or bacterial pneumonia, in patients with SC2 virus recoverable from bronchoalveolar lavage.

Yes, some of these deaths were compounded later by Remdesivir, inability to prescribe certain necessary medications (another crime against humanity), and improper mechanical ventilation.

But there is clear evidence of, e.g., pulmonary vascular microthrombi reducing lung compliance and leading to oxygenation failure and increased barotrauma on ventilators.

You’re right the Covid infection, illness, and death rates were vastly exaggerated through high PCR cycle thresholds, miscategorizing deaths from any cause as Covid if a positive PCR existed within 30 days, etc.

Also, many deaths were and still are attributable to effects of lockdowns and the vaccine. And masking didn’t help, contributing to some documented deaths, including in children.

And yes, this was all used to push the injections.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

If the 100s of papers claiming to "isolate" the "virus" are only in cell culture--monkey kidney cells mixed with anti-biotics, minimum nutrition medium, bovine serum, etc--then they are not "isolating" anything, are they?

Dr. Christine Massey and her team have filed over 200 FOIA requests to every institution, lab, hospital, gov't agency, university, foundation and other, asking if they have access to, or know if anyone else has access to, an "isolate" and later "purified" sample of SARS-CoV-2. And any other alleged "virus."

She has never gotten a clear yes answer. Many say essentially "No." Some say "Well, viruses don't exist outside cell cultures or real living cells, so no, they can't be isolated and/or purified in the way you are asking."

To me, that sounds like outright fraud. Dr. Thomas Cowan and Dr. Andrew Kaufman (J) have studied the 100s of papers you cite, and declared that all use the same fraudulent and pseudo-scientific means of identifying--not "isolating"--a "virus." No "virus" has ever been identified. The book Virus Mania gives excellent information on the pure fiction of many "viruses," which I found credible and it is increasingly recognized as valid. The virus-fiction cohort among us is large and growing.

The genome sequence was compiled from short strands of random DNA and RNA from various genetic material, loosely based on SARS 1 which was itself compiled from random short strands of DNA and RNA, using a computer program. They then randomly added a beginning sequence and ending sequence generated by a computer guess, and finally ended the sequence with 33 A's in a row. 33 is a well-known freemasonic signaling number. It appears to me that E C Holmes joined the genetic sequencing team, otherwise all Chinese Communists, after the second replacement, to add the 33 A's. Holmes was inducted into the Royal Society in 2017. The Royal Society was founded by Freemasons in 1660, and remains a Freemasonic institution which heavily promoted the covid hoax, particularly through grants under its RAMP program for fraudulent panic-inducing computer disease modeling.

I write about this in my book in Chapter 12 - Covid Evil: Satanic References in the Coronavirus Scamdemic.

Please go to NCBI, enter "Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome Coronavirus 2 Isolate" in the search box, scroll to the bottom, and count the 33 A's. The "in silica" (computer generated) genome sequence for SARS-CoV-2 is a blatant secret society Satanic joke.

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Nnikk's avatar

Good response. Actually, I admire it.

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Karl Haemers's avatar

Looking at Zelenko's Z-Stack cocktail, we see the most common, obvious nutritional supplementation for "immune system" support (the entire body and psyche is an immune system) such as Vit D3, Zinc, Vit C, quercetin... Why the big deal about the genius Zelenko and his expensive "covid protocol" miracle cure when people can put these supplements together themselves for 1/5 the cost?

Zelenko was a deranged Zionist religious fanatic pushing mass death for Goyim--he actually said "Let the culling begin" in his last speech before his death. How anyone would trust anything this Judaic maniac said about health is a wonder.

Must see:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/DANbFd62Jsy2/

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Travis Christian Lau's avatar

Wait wait wait wait... you said it was recommended by "The Wellness Company" AND by "The-LENding-KOmpany"? You don't say.

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